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On Meeting Fear with Trust: An Interview with Kristine Langley Mahler

by Anna Petty

Kristine Langley Mahler is more than a writer of creative nonfiction. She is a memoirist, an archaeologist, a researcher, an essayist, and a poet. I compiled seven questions that delve into aspects explored within Kristine’s work. Her newest collection of hybrid essays, Teen Queen Training: Essays after The Seventeen Book of Etiquette and Entertaining, 1963, was recently released on February 17, 2026, with Autofocus Books.

AP: You wrote an article titled “Erasure: It’s For Nonfiction Writers Too!”, about your new book, Teen Queen Training, debuting on February 17th. This line caught my eye, “Flipping through the book, I got caught up on a chapter titled ‘Boys, Boys, Boys.’ So many lines mildly offended my sensibilities—it opened with the promise that ‘any girl can get a date,’ which was a flat-out lie in my experience…” Shortly afterward, you began “blacking out lines” of the original text and creating your own version. Your essay, “Boys, Boss” is the erasure of that chapter. It’s my favorite essay in the book and it’s also the longest essay in the collection. Can you tell us why this chapter in particular set the entire project in motion and how the idea that male relationships determine a woman’s worth affected and shaped you growing up and how you view that idea now?

KLM.: That original chapter from the Seventeen book, “Boys, Boys, Boys,” really set me off—like a tinderbox just waiting for a match—because one of my primary frustrations during my teenhood, which I return to over and over in Teen Queen Training, was how I never felt desirable to boys, regardless of what I did (or didn’t do). I don’t think that’s a particularly novel feeling—it’s deeply teenage—but my self-consciousness ate me alive.

Because I’d moved three times before arriving in the city where I spent my high school years, I didn’t have any familiarity with childhood friends who could turn into something more. I would say that—and this is very specific to my conceptualization of valueat the time—my reaction was less about relationships with men as defining a woman’s worth, and more about wanting to be found desirable by the people you want to find you desirable.

If I had been a queer teen, I would have been obsessed with wanting other queer teens to want me—my reaction was less gendered/weighted toward the power of men, specifically, as much as it was that I was attracted to boys as a teen and I wanted boys to be attracted to me. That being said, the Seventeen Book of Entertaining and Etiquette, as a product of the 1960s, was quite heteronormative, so their instruction fit my yearnings as well.

I still think that we all want the people we find desirable to desire us back!

AP: Your hard work and dedication to your craft have been widely recognized with several Fellowships. You also won a Research Grant in 2017 for a researched creative nonfiction project on immigration and inhabitation on native land. One of the many things you accomplished was transcribing eighteen years of your grandfather’s diaries into more than five hundred pages. With your expertise in research and as a nonfiction writer, how do you channel your efforts into a cohesive finished product? Can you give writers who may be new to researching for a large project pointers for sifting through storehouses of information and how they can keep their finished product in mind? Can you briefly describe your research process?

KLM: I love being in the archives, I love gathering information and letting it sit in my brain before shaking the sifter and seeing what filters through. I’m very much a packrat in that way, I have a shelf full of books from that project you referred to—the researched project on immigration/inhabitation on native land—and I’ve got several giant Word docs filled with my responses to those books, with questions I found myself wondering, with attempts and gestures toward making sense of them. And I wrote a handful of essays with some of the material that I was able to digest a little quicker. But—and this has come with practice and learning to trust my own processes/processing—I’m less concerned, now, with needing to turn that research into a product as soon as possible.

As a memoirist, I know that some material is sitting on the top of my consciousness, ready to be processed, and I know that other material is still composting down in my subconscious. I’ve been doing this long enough to trust myself and to know that, when I’m ready to see that material, it will surface. So, I’m not the best example of someone who can suggest ways to keep your finished product in mind when researching, as much as I might suggest relaxing your grip on your INTENTIONS for your finished product and letting the research itself, and the material you find interesting during the process, guide what you keep.

AP: In one of your previous interviews, you spoke about spending time not writing while quietly accessing your subconscious. This idea of the subconscious brings to mind a quote from your book, A Calendar is a Snakeskin, “Fear needs to be met with trust because the universe will bring us into the places we need to face.” Can you talk more about the role chance, mysticism, going with your gut, and listening to your subconscious has in your work? What other practices do you employ to ensure you are going where you need to go with your writing?

KLM: This is definitely related to my answer to the previous question about letting my subconscious do the work! That quote you mention about meeting fear with trust is perhaps at the center of what I think many of us writing memoir have to do—to encounter the self (and often others) we’ve averted our eyes from, and to see ourselves and others with a kinder, gentler, more considerate gaze. No one needs to be excoriated from the pain they’ve caused, but I find, over and over, that when I return to my most harrowing experiences with enough distance, I’m brought to my knees when I’m finally able to recognize the humanity in everyone involved—including myself.

AP: In your book, A Calendar is a Snakeskin, there is an essay titled “Wound watch” where you count down from twelve to one, with each number representing a different memory, a precious moment in time. Where do you find inspiration for your many, varied essay forms? Many of your essays have a poetic bend, can you explain what role poetry plays in your work and creative process?

KLM: That’s the contrarian in me that insists on bringing poetry into my essays, honestly. I like seeing boundaries and then I like walking up to the fence and leaning my elbows on it, looking across at the other side, my feet grounded in one form and my eyes taking in another. I would argue that poetry itself lives inside every form, anyway. Lineation is the only distinction, and even that is suspect! The language, the movement of sentences, the implied metaphor and surprising juxtaposition—that belongs to us all.

AP: For many writers, part of realizing you want to be a writer comes from falling in love with the work of others. Can you tell us who some of your favorite writers are and who most heavily influenced you as you grew into the writer you are today?

KLM: Jo Ann Beard was absolutely pivotal. I don’t know if I’ve ever talked about this before, but I went to high school in Terre Haute, Indiana in the late ‘90s, and we had a Waldenbooks in the mall and a Books-a-Million, which is another way of saying I had access to pop fiction and that’s about it. I was taking a creative writing elective as a high school senior in 1999 and I had written a piece, which I was calling a short story, that my advisor read and said, “This sounds a lot more like nonfiction.” I was like What is nonfiction??? So, I went to our public library and followed the Dewey Decimal System call code, and The Boys of My Youth was sitting there, and I took it off the shelf because I liked the cover, and I took it home, and I was never the same person again. I’d never in my life read anything like that before. IT WAS LIKE SHORT STORIES BUT THEY WERE TRUE!

Later—and I mean MUCH later—I would read interview after interview with other writers who came of writing age at the same time as me, and they talked about how formative Jo Ann Beard’s book was to them, and I was so, so surprised that other people KNEW ABOUT IT. For me, The Boys of My Youth was that book that we’ve all read, at some point, where we thought it was only ours. Kind of hilarious to remember now, how insular I thought it was. I see now how much that book shaped nearly all of us!

Other writers whose work continues to inspire me: Jenny Boully, Elissa Washuta, Annie Ernaux, Kate Zambreno, and Jeannie Vanasco.

AP: Are there cohesive threads that run throughout your work that you hope readers are able to recognize and apply to their own experience? Can you elaborate on those threads and what they mean to you?

KLM: Reconsidering the things from our past that we thought we knew. Gosh, that is at the core of everything I write and everything I ever expect to write. When you can return to formative experiences with more practiced eyes, or a softer heart, or with new information, it provides illumination, but—and this is very true for me—it provides empathy and the reminder that we are all flawed, fallible humans, trying to do the best we can most of the time with the tools we have.

AP: What advice can you give to writers that would like to experiment with different forms of writing in the nonfiction realm: such as essays and hybrid forms that you orchestrate so beautifully?

KLM: Be willing to consign work to the folder! Truly, so often writers are afraid to take formal risks with a project because if it doesn’t work out, it feels like a waste of time. Or material. Or whatever. But the folders on my hard drive with all of the essays I’ve attempted—or edited—or published—are full of drafts where I tried something, wasn’t sure if it was working, so I clicked Save As and gave the document a _3 or _4 or _12 before trying again. You never know when you’ll hit your stride with a form.

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Kristine Langley Mahler is the author of three nonfiction books, Teen Queen Training, A Calendar is a Snakeskin and Curing Season: Artifacts. Her work has been supported by the Nebraska Arts Council and Art at Cedar Point and thrice named Notable in Best American Essays. A memoirist experimenting with the truth on the suburban prairie, Kristine makes her home outside Omaha, Nebraska. She is the director of Split/Lip Press.

Anna Petty is an MFA candidate in creative nonfiction at Converse University, where she also received a Bachelor of Arts in Music. She is a mother and teacher by day, and writer by night. Currently, she is working on her first novel, a work that blurs the lines between memoir and fiction. She is a reader for South 85: An Online Literary Journal, as well as a South Carolina native.

You can find Kristine @kristinelangleymahler on Instagram, @suburbanprairie on Bluesky, and on her website: https://kristinelangleymahler.com.

You can find Anna @annapettypens on Instagram.

Interview with Jill Christman

reprinted with permission from www.workinprogressinprogress.com

Give us your elevator pitch: what’s your book about in 2-3 sentences?

 What I say if someone asks:

The Heart Folds Early is a memoir about what it means to make a choice.

 My third-person pitch:

River Teeth editor Jill Christman’s fourth book of nonfiction, The Heart Folds Early, is about what it means to make a choice. Loving, rageful, and often funny, Christman’s new memoir centers her decision to end a half-term pregnancy when a routine ultrasound reveals her baby has just half a heart—and asks: As mothers, how do we carry life and death in our bodies and survive with our hearts intact?

What boundaries did you break in the writing of this memoir? Where does that sort of courage come from?

As a writer, I am a contrarian. In grad school, they told me No dead grandmothers. But I couldn’t help it. In my first memoir, Darkroom: A Family Exposure, I wrote the hell out of my dying grandmother (Beatrice Coe Ingraham, school librarian and ace poker player, may she rest in peace). Later, I learned that using multiple points of view in a memoir is bad form, but again, sometimes I feel as if I’m looking at my younger self from somewhere near the ceiling or perhaps I need to issue instructions or establish myself as  part of a community. Third person, first person direct address, second person (sparingly), first person plural. . . I use them all. Why have tools if we’re going to leave them in the box? And now you’re telling me there’s a fourth wall between the narrator and the reader? Crash through that wall like the Kool Aid Man. (I mean, when it suits you. Or you’re thirsty for some Red Dye 40.) So, yeah, both in terms of subject and craft, the breaking of rules is so much a part of my daily practice that it doesn’t even feel rebellious anymore—which is kind of too bad, you know?

Now, this book had to break that Big Boundary—the boundary that tells us we’re not supposed to talk about a thing. The boundary that shames and scares and shushes us into silence. This book is about my choice to have a second-trimester medical abortion.

This is my third memoir, written through a nearly twenty-year gestation, a time that ran parallel to me both raising a couple of kids with my poet husband (and, therefore, working in short, frequently interrupted bursts) and falling in love with the essay. So  

The Heart Folds Early started as a memoir (called Mothercraft), split off into essays, spawned a whole separate e-book (Borrowed Babies: Apprenticing for Motherhood) and several essays that ran away from the book and eventually got together with other essays to form a collection (If This Were Fiction: A Love Story in Essays)—all the while growing and shrinking and changing not only outfits but whole forms, shapeshifting between nonfiction classifications and structures like a love child of Proteus and Methis (I’m making this up: they didn’t hook up, even in myth, but just imagine!).

After an initial agent pitch to publishers came back with the news that the subject of dying babies is too depressing, and thus, hard to sell, I read my by that point teenage manuscript a story and put her to bed (or maybe it was the other way around, but in any case, I was done). Maybe, I thought, this was not a book I needed to write. Maybe, I thought, this was a book I had written for myself, and honestly, that’s a pretty good way to live, no writing is ever wasted, and I would move on and write other essays and books and let this one rest in a giant file that was, back then, named Blue Baby Blue.

But then something big happened. Something terrible. Something world rattling. In June of 2022, the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, and now, now, I had a new urgent question, didn’t I? What the actual fuck? And so I rewrote the whole book, beginning with a prologue (in which it’s quite possible I curse too much), the moment in an Airbnb in Colorado when I heard the news we’d all known was coming, but now, now, here it was—the news that the right to an abortion in the United States was no longer protected. Spewing from the rageful volcano that was by then a perimenopausal me, The Heart Folds Early took on her final shape.

The book coming out this March from Nebraska is now quite solidly memoir, and even more or less chronological—except for that starting at the end to go back to the beginning bit, and some detours into my youth. One early reader called it a romance. Sexy. Another said she laughed in every chapter, even though she wasn’t sure she should be laughing. Writer and activist Sonya Huber said I had “steel nerves”—so that was something. Steel nerves! Me!

Tell us a bit about the highs and lows of your book’s road to publication.

I cheated and started answering this question above. (Do you see what I mean about me? I can’t even follow the clear rules of a good interview question.) So you know there was the low of being told that my story was too depressing and wouldn’t sell well as a baby-shower gift (that was an actual thing a marketing department shared by way of telling my then-agent they were taking a pass). And because the book is coming out with the amazing people at the University of Nebraska Press, in the American Lives series, an extraordinary team I’ve worked with before and knew I could trust with this book, well, that’s the actual publication high.

But if I could point to one thing that scared me enough to become a low until I really faced the scariness was how much I worried about the story being received, specifically by other parents who had faced the same diagnosis (or one like it), mid-term, and made a different choice. I deeply and truly respect these many choices. All of them. With love. So one thing that was really different for me—and hard—in making The Heart Folds Early was how conscious I needed to be of my audience in that final two-year rewrite. I was no longer writing the book for me. I was writing about my choice because I understood it was my responsibility to tell the story of my second-trimester abortion. I had the skills to tell my story and the resources to get that story out into the world. (Speaking of boundaries, we cannot let the parameters of the conversation around reproductive rights be defined by those who would—and have—stripped us of those rights. We cannot let these conversations—or any of the big things we’re wrestling with right now in this country—be over-simplified because they’re hard.)

So I was hyper-aware of my many audiences—both actual people I knew or knew of, and whole categories of people—like young people in the United States coming of age in a time when their right to an abortion is not protected. I am always aware that I am writing to my children—perhaps in a time when I will no longer be here. And, as I said, I was aware that I was writing to other parents, mothers and fathers, who had faced the same diagnosis we faced and made a different choice. I wanted to write a book that respected all choices—except, I suppose, the choice to take away somebody else’s choice. As I write this, I realize that another high of this book’s path to publication was figuring out how to tell this story out of love—and not from a place of fear.

What’s your favorite piece of writing advice?

Shew! Great question. I edit two magazines—River Teeth: A Journal of Nonfiction Narrative—and our (free!) weekly online magazine of micro-essays, Beautiful Things—and I’ve been teaching and writing nonfiction for thirty years, so let me tell you, I’m full of advice, most of which I footnote with—Or maybe not. Maybe you have a reason to do something else here. So let me try to offer some advice that doesn’t need that footnote. I’ll choose three:

  • Remember that you are not the only one. Not even today. Not even this minute.
  • When you’re working on something difficult? Stay. Don’t leave. Linger in the uncertainty. Slow down when it gets hard.
  • But keep going. You’re doing it. Keep going.

My favorite writing advice is “write until something surprises you.” What surprised you in the writing of this book?

Ah! Yes. There’s more advice that doesn’t need a footnote. I’m here for the surprises. On a macro-level, I was surprised by how a book could grow from such hot rage and deep love—at the same time, on the same pages. On a micro-level, so many, but one I sometimes point to is on page 23 of The Heart Folds Early, in a moment where the writing-me returns on Google maps to look down on the intersection where, many, many years earlier, my then-fiancé was killed in a horrible crash along with two of his buddies on the way to get a pizza after work—the jolt of surprise and sadness I felt in my heart from my couch in Indiana, a lifetime away: “Before I was a mother, I never thought about this detail of the tragedy, but now? It makes me so sad to know they died hungry.”

What’s something about your book that you want readers to know?

As a serial memoirist and someone who’s been teaching creative nonfiction writing for over half my life, there’s a question I hear a lot: How long do I have to wait before I write about [insert hard thing here]. And my answer is always some version of the advice I give for all writing-advice questions: Only you know how long you need to wait. What do you think? But for this one, I usually add that the standard advice that we need to fully process a difficult experience before we write about it has never made sense to me. Isn’t writing how we come to understand the hard things in the world that don’t make sense? We can write the hard thing right away and then three months later and then a decade after that—and each time we put pen to paper from a different perspective, something new will emerge. Last spring, the wise and wonderful essayist Steven Harvey (aka, The Humble Essayist) visited my graduate writing class and when we asked him why he writes, why he’s still writing, he answered: “I write to compensate for losses.”

And the losses keep coming, don’t they? But when we write them, when we write into and through them, we can find something like hope—for ourselves, for our children, for each other, and maybe, you know, for the world.

Inquiring foodies and hungry book clubs want to know: Any food/s associated with your book? (Any recipes I might share?)

I love this question—because I love food. Oh gosh. I’m trying to think. I ate a lot of clementines during my first pregnancy—and consumed many avocados during the writing of the book. They’re in there, along with a fair amount of kid food. And cookies. In life, I’m a baker—sourdough baguettes and (vegan) banana bread (my daughter is deathly allergic to eggs)—even before the pandemic made us do it—so those are foods that supported The Heart Folds Early. My go-to easy, food-processor (gasp!)baguette recipe is Mark Bittman’s “Easiest and Best French Bread” and the queen of all banana bread recipes was developed by those vegan geniuses, Isa Chandra Moskowitz and Terry Hope Romero, in Veganomicon: I always double the recipe, add Penzey’s double-strength vanilla and half again the amount of spice, and bake one standard loaf pan and one pan of those cute mini-loaves for my kids’ dorm freezers. Sometimes it’s hard to make it to breakfast before class! (I can’t find the version from the cookbook online, and it’s always good to point folks towards Post Punk Kitchen, so here’s a recipe for Isa’s Marbled Banana Bread—which is basically the same except, you know, for the chocolate; if you’re not in the mood for marbling, just make this one, but omit the boiling water and chocolate, and add 1/3 c molasses and a 1/3 cup-ish applesauce: moist, fruity perfection.)

Interview with Kerry Neville

reprinted with permission from www.workinprogressinprogress.com

Give us your elevator pitch: what’s your book about in 2-3 sentences?

Momma May Be Mad: A Memoiris an inventive and striking memoir about motherhood, madness, and the grace of second and third chances. Kerry Neville shares the story of how she was caught in the perfect storm of bipolar disorder, anorexia, and alcoholism when her children were young and her marriage failing and how she found her way back to joy and hope. Electric shock therapy, hospitalizations, and even an exorcism were desperate, if failed, lifelines. But even in that dark chaos, she held fast to an abiding belief in love and fought to regain her own life and her life with her children.

What boundaries did you break in the writing of this memoir? Where does that sort of courage come from?

The easiest way to answer this question is to quote the opening of the memoir:

“How do you write a memoir when you can’t remember? And how then do you honor and unravel that tangle of time?…Electric Shock Treatments erased years of my linear memory. What remains? Unreliable chaotic approximation. Incomplete jerry-rigged record. Splinters and fragments: a fat file of doctors’ shorthand notes and coded diagnoses, Social Security Disability Insurance legalities, journal entries composed in situ, email correspondence with therapist, and friends who fill in the blanks.

“External documentation functions with the specious authority of a third-person limited narrator. Even my journals, though read as if extemporaneous synchronous records, are always belated after-accounts. We don’t live in time’s flow but in time’s lag. Our brains create a coherent understanding of the world from stimuli that travel at different times and speeds. Auditory processing is faster than visual processing. Starter pistol rather than flash of light. The brain waits for the slowest information to arrive before “making sense” of “now.” An eighty-millisecond lag between what is happening and what we understand is happening.

“When I read my medical records and journals, scroll through photos, and listen to my friends recount who I was and what I was doing and saying and how I was lying and dying and trying and not trying to get myself into sensible order? That “I” stands in strange, estranged proximity. I cast forwards and backwards through lost and found time, never able to catch up. My unruly IIIIIIIIII’s arrive at different times and speeds to these pages.

“I’ve tried and tried to write this happened and then this happened and then this happened and now it’s done, but each attempt was a failed mouth-to-mouth resuscitation of my corpse on the dissection table, so I ditched linear plot-forward-in-time.”

Additionally, the memoir is divided into three sections according to St. Augustine’s understanding of time as he outlines in Confessions: “present of things past, memory; present of things present, sight; present of things future, expectation.”

Courage: There was no other way to write this story—except to find a way to represent how I—we—construct ourselves as changing selves every day, how we revise and rerevise our stories of how we have arrived in this moment now. The memoir is an attempt at simultaneity: becoming and unbecoming at the same time. So, linear plot can’t do that on the page with its neat, progressive timeline. 

Tell us a bit about the highs and lows of your book’s road to publication.

My agent sent the manuscript out to the big presses, and I received positive feedback but…ultimately, no, no, no, no. I knew the structure would be a difficult sell—but memoirs are, anyway. My agent persevered because she believed the book would find a home, the right editor, at the right time. I know how fortunate I am to have an agent willing to keep on keeping on with the manuscript. Eventually, Kim Davis and her editorial team at Madville Publishing responded with a quick (!) and enthusiastic yes. The right home, the right editor, the right time!

What’s your favorite piece of writing advice?

Write from your me-ness”—you don’t have to be decorous, polite, modest, or measured. Write out of your fierceness, unruliness, and daring. Disturb the universe. (Fyi: it took me far too long to realize writing, at least early draft writing, is ferocious and feral. Late draft revision is meticulous and exacting.)

My favorite writing advice is “write until something surprises you.” What surprised you in the writing of this book?

What surprised me was how much I learned about what is beyond me—that is, research that brought the world and all its complicated wonders inside my understanding of self-as-world-on-the-page. Biology, neuroscience, anatomy, philosophy, botany, history, geology, religion, mythology!

How did you find the title of your book?

The title is the title of a long-retired blog I kept when I was in my dark, desperate times. Writing that blog about my mental health complications helped me to understand that I wasn’t the only momma, the only human being going through the really effing hard stuff—I heard from many readers who connected to my story (if not to exact facts, then to the ebb and flow of despair and joy). I had a running list of possible titles for the memoir but I kept coming back to Momma May Be Mad—there’s the sound of the M’s, but, too, there’s the uncertainty. Not “maybe” but “may be”—or may not be. And maybe it’s all of is: motherhood, madness, hysteria, wandering wombs, one body creating another body, body-at-hand and body-of-work. We are shapeshifters, phoenixes rising again and again from the ash. What are the forces at work on the inside and on the outside that contribute to despair, give rise to joy, and allow us to redeem ourselves?

Interview with Helen Fremont

reprinted with permission from www.workinprogressinprogress.com

Give us your elevator pitch: what’s your book about in 2-3 sentences?

Outside the Lines is a queer love story between a young public defender and a married mother of two, who meet in a writing workshop in Boston in the 1980s. Drawn together by surprisingly similar family secrets, hidden identities, and a deep connection to the Holocaust, they fall in love. Subsequently, a terminal illness changes and intensifies their relationship with each other and with their families.

What boundaries did you break in the writing of this memoir? Where does that sort of courage come from?

By the time I got around to writing this memoir (my third), I’d inadvertantly become something of an expert at family demolition. After my first memoir (which I thought was pretty tame) was published, my family disowned me and declared me dead.

It took twenty years for me to get up the ovarian fortitude to write a second memoir, in which I told the rest of the story, including many of the gory details I’d tactfully left out of the first book. (My parents had died in the meantime.)

I think the need to write these stories as memoir stems from the need to claim one’s own voice and one’s own truth, when the writer’s reality has consistently been denied or disavowed. Family secrets manipulate and mess with one’s sense of self, which is why they are so potent.

In my new memoir, Outside the Lines, the two main characters died many years ago, so I feel a little less anxious about writing my story as it relates to them. Once again, I’ve changed names and details, and omitted scenes in order to protect the privacy of surviving family members. But of course, I worry a great deal about how family and friends will feel. I don’t think it’s particularly “courageous” to write memoir; I think it’s compelled by a need to speak your truth when it has been consistently denied.

Tell us a bit about the highs and lows of your book’s road to publication.

I’ve wanted to write this book for a long time, but apparently I wasn’t ready to dive into the material until a few years ago. Writing the scenes set loose a flood of memories, both exhilarating and agonizing. So as with all writing, the highs and lows are always built right into the daily work. I write something one day and think it’s brilliant; I look at it in the morning, and it’s turned to garbage.

Perhaps my greatest high with this book came from my writer buddies, who never cease to amaze and inspire me with their own poetry and prose, and who never pretend something is working when it’s not. Every time we’d get together to talk about our work, I came away on fire to fix the things they’d suggested, and excited about the whole impossible project of bringing a bunch of words on the page into a completed book for publication.

It was also thrilling when my agent (whom I adore and revere) read the manuscript and liked it. Her belief in this little book was so powerful, it made the first slew of rejections from publishing houses less painful. Of course, when the next slew of rejections came in, and the ones after that, my mood descended  in direct proportion to the rise in rejections. Needless to say, it was wonderful to find a publisher I admired who liked this book enough to want to publish it. Working with her and her team has been a blast.  

What’s your favorite piece of writing advice?

“It’s all draft until you die.” The poet Ellen Bryant Voigt said that. Just conjuring her name makes me happy. She is the founder and mastermind of the Warren Wilson MFA Program for Writers, my alma mater. Ellen is all about process, all about doing the work, without letting yourself get distracted by anything else—the market or the critics, or your own inner judge. She reminds us that we can keep fiddling with a draft as long as we like, long after it’s been published, or long after we’ve given up on it. Writing is not just our work; it’s our play, it’s what reminds us we’re alive.

My favorite writing advice is “write until something surprises you.” What surprised you in the writing of this book?

I was surprised when I wrote a sentence I liked for more than twenty-four hours. And I was surprised—well, more like embarrassed—to discover how incredibly immature and clueless I was at the age of thirty. It’s sort of amazing to see the effect that thirty-plus years of perspective had on my memories and feelings—even sensory perceptions—that came back to me when I was writing. So as you see, self-absorption really does have its own rewards.

How did you find the title of your book?

I am terrible at titles. Prolifically terrible. I must have scribbled down hundreds of titles, one worse than the other. For a while, I was convinced that if I just found the right Leonard Cohen lyric, I’d have my title.

Fortunately, my wife pretty quickly came up with the title, Outside the Lines. I liked it immediately, and then went on to brainstorm another couple hundred awful titles. But I kept coming back to this one, because it’s about coming out, and it’s about the complications of navigating a life outside the norm. The title lasted through all my mood changes, so it’s a keeper. (So is she.)

Interview with Paula Whyman

reprinted with permission from Work-in-Progress, www.workinprogressinprogress.com

Give us your elevator pitch: what’s your book about in 2-3 sentences?

Bad Naturalist is a memoir about my attempts to restore native meadows on a mountain in the foothills of the Blue Ridge, about the obstacles I encountered, the (many) mistakes I made, the failures—and a few successes—and the discoveries I made along the way.

What boundaries did you break in the writing of this memoir? Where does that sort of courage come from?

Hahaha, courage? Maybe it was foolishness! For me, writing a book-length memoir was something I hadn’t done before, and I was a bit of a reluctant memoirist in that I didn’t feel comfortable focusing on myself. The only way for me to do that was with humor, which is how I like to write anyway. I needed to feel free to make fun of myself. So if there is a “boundary” that I crossed, it’s that apparently it’s somewhat unusual for there to be humor in nature writing. And I wanted to bring nature, um, down to earth…for people like me.

Tell us a bit about the highs and lows of your book’s road to publication.

Well, for one thing, selling my book on proposal was an incredible high point and so different from the process I was used to, since my first book was fiction. I’ll also say that there has been a lot of interest in this book, which I really appreciate! I think the low point was when I was trying to figure out how to write the book, as if there was some special rule of approach, a key to writing memoir–and not exactly a traditional memoir, but one that tells a story not just about me, but about the natural world–a key that I didn’t possess because I hadn’t done it before. (There is no key, and every book is different. Heavy sigh.) But I guess it worked it out in the end?

What’s your favorite piece of writing advice?

Write about what you’re curious about — that interest and passion will come through in the writing, and your enthusiasm is contagious. Don’t worry about writing what you “know”—but get to know it, so that your reader can get to know it, too.

My favorite writing advice is “write until something surprises you.” What surprised you in the writing of this book?

That I got it done! I was doing the work and the research on the mountain at the same time that I was writing about it. Both the project and the writing involved a lot of uncertainty, a lot of waiting, a lot of trial and error. I never knew what was going to happen on the mountain or if it would happen when I needed it to happen, so I hardly ever knew whether I’d be able to write about the aspect I was hoping to write about, particularly in time for my deadline. The exciting part for me was often the surprise of seeing what did happen—what grew in a place, what new interconnections I found. I took those surprises in the field and brought them to my writing desk, where I teased out further connections when I sat down to write. I was also intent on finding ways to describe plants and insects and birds that I hope are entertaining and accessible, to describe elements of the natural world so that an interested novice like me would be able to envision and connect with them, and I was often surprised by the ideas that occurred to me, like comparing a flower to a weird swim cap my grandmother used to wear. Where did that even come from?

Who is your ideal reader?

People who are curious and interested in reading about encounters with the natural world that are written with a sense of humor; armchair travelers who would enjoy reading about an adventurous endeavor that doesn’t always go right! I think the book will prove inspiring for those who are drawn to take on an ambitious project in an area that’s totally new to them; for those interested in trying something completely new in mid-life; and for readers who like the idea of reading about someone else’s foibles and failures, watching someone else mess up in what is still a hopeful story.